Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. I couldnt get my grandparents to believe any of this was happening but there is now proof. I believe this is why everything starts to become a blurr after a while. I think? That was all the best craziest I can say right now or Ill be typing for atleast a week. I was in spring creek from 98-00 courage family!! There was an aluminum boat somebody had chained up but no paddles so after busting the padlock with a boulder (took about 45 minutes but I finally did it) I went back in the forest and found some branches to use as paddles. 14 hours ago Kevin whats up brother? SCL taught me that no matter what I will ALWAYS be at fault. Early 2004. You are a testament to the endurance of a restless spirit haha. But that doesnt mean that the entirety of the Program was Bullshit or wasnt Helpful. So pleasethink before you speak. But not without respect and an open heart to others. I am so sorry to hear about Josh. www.ranchflip.com is using a security service for protection against online attacks. Its crazyIm 34 nowand still, I remember these things. Seeing as how we were not allowed to exchange personal contact information during our time there. Please email me at clark.capehart.charles@gmail.com. And thats what they would do. I was in Spring Creek back when they first opened up in 96 97 when there was only 2 cabins. I was never the same after leaving the program. Live well and prosper when you finish your stint. Based on your results you have exactly what you intended.. I was in Wisdom right when i got there in July 1998, I soon transfered to Courage Family due to a letter I wrote home. That the worst time of my life. In a perfect world these bastards would be in prison. The guy who conducted those warped seminarsDavid Gilcrease was his name, I thinkhe scared me. 103a nfsd 106e neglect anyone remember any other warnings? Dont get me wrong this place was fucked up From the top down. He would catch flying bugs from the air and eat them for his protein. Anyone who remembers me please reach out. We have Deluxe River, River, Full Hookup, grass and gravel pull thru sites. please let me know how at Jordan.e.von.erichsen@gmail.com. I was in Serenity family in 2002. Pathfinders with Mile Parr!! Sounds like a case worker or family parent. Gavin!!! Went to Golden Coral, gun shop lol. What was all this standing and marching in line? They finally kicked me out but told my family it was because I wouldnt stop making myself throw up..which is true..but i think that mini riot pushed them over the edge. I was in there from 2002-2004, also in Serenity. Sick shit man. He was one of my best friends! The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Curious that he wrote a book and actually admits to being a wwasp employee. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge, http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/, http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors, http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/, Youth Foundation Closes Amid Scandals, Lawsuits | WWASP Survivors. Fucking preying on everyone else cause the staff gave you a little bone. It was basically my job to monitor and discipline the students. I was at the Montana website. Looking back we were just kids and the most important time of a young mans life his adolescence. What is their to do to be active in lawsuits? Your story of me running away and stealing a boat was true but that was my first attempt. Man its crazy to read all of these stories. This marine wiuld loveeeeee to meet up with colby. The desert was called Survivor and next was to come Challenger. Enjoy lightly fished streams and trophy lakes on one our exclusive ranch leases. I was so fucking sad and I felt so betrayed by her. He called his family first they told him that if he doesnt go back to program he couldnt go home. I didnt need to run and hide in bumfuck montana! Wow . Thank you! And a guy David Leech (is that Goofy?) I visited Amazon to see if there was an audio version because its hard for me to make time to read, and I am trying to educate myself on different approaches to improving my husbands and my relationship with our 16 1/2 year-old daughter. This property is not currently available for sale. 4 bds; 3 ba; 1,933 sqft - House for sale. There was no way in hell I was going to become another statistic. We pick you up each day at the hotel and in the evenings you can enjoy fun western towns like Bozeman and Livingston, Browse our large network of vacation homes and cabins that are either on the water or centrally located to great fishing. Few places on earth can match the picturesque beauty of the DePuy ranch with the Absaroka Mountains towering above a valley filled with deer, swans, cranes and bubbling trout waters. I lived life through my headphones and skateboard. email Judy O'Hair I was there in 97 when there were just a few of us. hi melissa. I was excited the whole way I couldnt wait to go snowboarding. I was there jan2005 to 0ct2006 I was was Serenity. i did meet some other victims of this place that I love to pieces and some are on my facebook. In fact, in order to even speak to Linderman, your parents needed to pay more. He is worse off now than he EVER was going in. Memoir: Thompson Falls Montana Montana Angler holds a federal permit to guide our guests on these legendary waters, Fish over 20 legendary Montana rivers across multiple valleys or get off the beaten path on our exclusive private access ranch leases. Kids trying to kill themselves left and right. Experience some of the lower 48's most remote fisheries. We were in the same family. Why? Or Find Me, Pull Up a Chair, Stand on It, and Let Me Rip You Up a Little! I feel for you. My name is Lindsay and I am from Paso Robles, California. Buy the way I live in Florida. It was really something special to meet Zach many years later in my 20s and talk about that genesis family we were in. I was only 15 at the time and was seeing that stuff. Scared clutching the back railing. It was quite an adventure. I was the only guy there from Alaska. This, coupled with the long growing season, allow crops to be grown both to benefit and attract the area wildlife and to generate income. I hope the staff there burn in Hell. I hope he hires a lawyer soon. I owe my life to him. Was there march 31 2002 july 1, 2004. Sold: Vacant land located at Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 sold on Apr 8, 2022. In the meantime I might have to get a GED how stupid and ridiculous that even though I have my diploma and unofficial transcripts thats still not enough :/. Rates from $30 a night plus tax. It took me going on hunger strike and losing an unhealthy amount of weight before they called my parents to come get me who ended up being delighted to take me away from there after they saw first hand what this place was like. I will ask him. Hugged, laughed and cried. Now I find this survivor website!!!!! When I see Bill Gates I cant help but to think of Steve Cawdrey Same build maybe. Did you have braces? It was only once we found this website that he felt like anyone would really believe him. I remember the seminars we had to go to. Probably an arm and a leg, just curious. It sucks but it is what it is you make the best with what life throws at you. Chelsey, The reinforcement system was not logical- it mainly made us believe wed never get out. The seminars were terrible. IT FELT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! It would be nice to talk, Grant~ I just read your post Grant was in the van haha sup fool. Vacant land located at Copper Corbin Rd, Jefferson City, MT 59638 sold on Aug 31, 2021. They beat us, starved us, humiliated us and made us walk through 10 degree weather in our boxers and flip flops. A white car speeds around me pulls to the side of the road and another women jumps out. I witnessed many myself. MLS ID #2497935. Josh was a fucking great guy in my opinion during the time I knew him. the only time i tried voting up for 3 all stars i fucked up. So in all, it was 2 vs 6. The acreage is easily accessible from a well-maintained set of roads, and the ranch infrastructure is in outstanding shape. As I read everyones comments about their experiences my heart truly aches for all of you. Whether you had a good experience or not, never discredit the pain of others because you have no idea what those kids had to experience behind closed doors. Please let us know how we can help. Either bland, banana nut, or blueberry. Innocent. We had to postpone our wedding from 6-6-2020 to 10-17-2020 at Springs Creeks Ranch due to COVID and cannot believe how smooth Spring Creeks Ranch made the transition. there was this junior staff who worked my family that day. Cry me a fuking river you unaccountable over sensative pussies! I found your site after reading a cautionary review on Amazon.com of Teen Whisperer by Mike Linderman. Think again. We pushed the button and ran for a bit, but the boys were faster. Its obviously worked out well for you and you deserve every ounce of success and happiness you get in life. Age 13 hit the survival challenge program. Yes most needed help or guidance, but this kind of sickening treatment of youth is disgusting. If anyone Remembers Brian McLaren and wouldnt mind telling me what you remember of him or of the time span he was there it would be most helpful.Thanks. I was there in 97/98 in the legend family and it also screwed my life up. From Morava to Spring Creek both were awful ! Let us answer all of your questions and help you choose exceptional lodges in Chile, Argentina, Alaska and the Bahamas. I just heard about his book and I am curious to know what has been said. I will say, he is the reason I grew up wantingg to help others. The portion of the creek on the O'hair ranch is filled with riffles, pockets and runs. I felt like I abandoned you manstill haunted by that shit. The Montana Department of Labor and Industry has opened an investigation into a residential teen treatment program near Eureka after the Missoulian inquired about its claim that it was licensed. I pretty much lived in level 2 up to this point just so I could have condiments on my food. Did yall REEEEALLY need that 15 foot high pile of rocks moved to left ten feet? The only friend I made there was an upper level named will from Houston Texas (if he ever sees this I just wanted to thank you my nigga and hope u didnt get in trouble because of me). NOBODY INTERVEINED AND SHE JUST SHARED SOME VERY SERIOUS SHIT. Looked like ex cops or FBI, something. We were simply cut off from our life, our families/friends, our world. What a wild ride! What pisses me off the most is for the money are families were forking out for this joke of a place is if They truly had people that came from troubled backgrounds and got through there battles in life that knew how to relate to us and actually would of put that money to good use by actually taking us to do productive activities that are designed to build confidence, self-esteem, coping skills,ect,ect by group hikes, snowboarding trips, base ball games,flag football games, mountain biking, relay races I could go on and on. And just cause they flew the same colour rag, the crips n scraps clickes up. The list goes on. Wow, she thought this sucked just wait till she gets to the new hell. Who is this girl? I successfully escaped from that place by stealing a workers truck in middle of night and driving to Spokane Washington and from there I got on a train to san francisco bay area in California. His mom is a wonderful lady, and shes done a lot of positive educational and volunteer work in Zachs memory. Just as I am leaving Heron, I see an older lady fast walking to catch up to a 14/15 year old girl, of Mexican decent. 5. I am a parent of a child that I sent to Spring Creek. I only saw you once or twice because they separated boys and girls, but I thought you were cute. Brandy, from California. .. my heart breaks that she felt no way out but she didnt have a way out. Great kid, with Crohns. had a crazy brother matt that ran honor for a while. Rates from $55 - $65 a night plus tax. I was also in quest. I kept it on me at all times. Anyway, I just wanted to drop a note to tell each of you that my heart goes out to you, and I will be praying for you. He was in Excel from 2001 to 2002. Galt Ranch. I was 15 and was lied to by my parents who said I was going on a fun camping experience. Assault And battery false imprisonment and torture .apparently are not illegal! Spring Creek Campground - Rv Park - Big Timber, Montana "Come experience a piece of riverfront paradise in Big Timber, Montana". I remember when I finally made it to jr.staff and I somehow managed to get into the HR building and do paperwork for a couple weeks. It definitely messed with me in a big way. I got threw in the habit in winter and was left to die. Im sad to see you have adopted the all-too-familiar attitude that Im okay with how i was treated, so everyone else ought to be okay with it too or I wasnt abused (or dont realize i was abused), so no one else was either. Unfortunately, this type of intolerant, attacking attitude so reminiscent of Stockholm Syndrome is something survivors suffer from, often for years, before they suddenly and sometimes traumatically realize the full scope of what happened to them. Travis, what family were you in. Anyone who remembers me should get at me on facebook. It was very bad but apparently it had gotten worse. Eugene would give me all the answers, he probably heard those stories a million times! that is hilarious! There was another Billy from Vegas. I was the one the whole molestation case was about. He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. My name is a Nick Theriault. After leaving there it was back to reality of what the program had to offer. If u want to call me since I am not much into computers please feel free. From Another SOLD Parent He ended up being sent to Jamaica. Cow country is calling you and your family to come enjoy the benefits of western living! My bad. We could all make millions . I was just going through a phase in life at that period in time. we would jog around in circles in our fenced area and discuss whether or not we thought that there were guards, dogs, or just upper level boys waiting for us if we tried to run. i just wanted it to be private at the time. The East Gallatin is a technical fishery and spring creek style techniques are often employed. All data about Spring Creek Inn: corporate office address, support phones, working hours, customer complaints, etc. I also forgive my daughter for her choices/actions that resulted in her stay at Spring Creek. Spring Creek Ranch | Beatty, Oregon Fay Ranches 02:33 Invest & Enjoy Additional Photos & Property Details Download Property Brochure The ones that got their dicks hard when handing out cat 2s for looking at girls. I met some awesome people that made it a tiny bit easier.. It was attached to another dorm by a door, but we werent allowed to talk to the girls living there. maggie.bidwell@gmail.com. I dont know what went on in Samoa, but I know at Spring Creek he was considered one of the less sadistic members of the junior staff and didnt let them brain wash him completely which is quite a fete. Hey Tyler remember me it Henry or I went by Anthony. I was also in Serenitys Family tho I was there in 1999. Many allegations of abuse, as well as Social Services complaints and lawsuits have been leveled at Cameron Pullan and his brother Chaffin Pullan. Then after the kuymbya gathering of reading your paper you repeat the lining up the heel toe the no talking to go to class. Their website recommended that parents watch the movie Thirteen to understand what horrible things their teenagers are doing. Our parents never saw him, yet these are the type of camp couselors we spent most of our time with. I was admitted in to University because of her hard, fast work. I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. We dont have any specific designs for her, just want her to be happy and graduate high school with her head held high and our relationships intact and healthy. I did try to run one time with a buddy Patrick we were in that building where you had to listen to tapes all day. I got trench foot which screwed me for life. I did was in this whole new place with a few people I knew and a ton of people I didnt and I had to be an upper level and consequence people and play the game of accountability and all that. I was made to believe I was a piece of shit and came home thinking that didnt take long I was in jail etc at 38 I still have problems with self hate and not a day goes by I dont think of this hell hole. Cleveland National Forest encompasses 460,000 acres (720 sq mi (1,900 km 2)), mostly of chaparral, with a few riparian areas. If you were a student/detainee, I would say the Pullans and. I heard a rumor that they couldnt restrain you if you were naked, so I tried it. And what capacity? We had such a bad reputation that Cameron forced us to rename the family in an attempt to get a fresh start. Main water features of Lewistown Area include Crystal Lake, Judith River, Missouri River, Big Spring Creek, Warm Spring Creek, and Ft. Peck Lake. I wont give the person up but there was one good staff member there. Wow . Site cast to trophy trout cruising the shallows of several productive lakes. I am not so sure this is actually a survivor sounds more like a former staff member to me. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. he would throw big crazy fits. If you are looking to reconnect, please join our facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors We have quite a few SCL survivors there , Hey, wasnt there in 2003. Do not sell or share my personal information. That place SUCKED and i would never put my children in something like this. I recognize a lot of names from this thread but without last names and faces it is tough to place everyone. The creeks have prolific hatches that occur throughout the year. I am wondering if anyone knew my brother, Kareem Rahman. This is what goes through my mind. I was in spring creek lodge academy for feb 2005 till August 17 2007 lower levels i was in charity upper levels i was in hope family. I came into the program at age 16 and was there until just before my 18th birthday. DePuy Spring Creek LLC PO Box 1184 Livingston, MT 59047 I had blacked out a lot of what happened there during my stay. Thats it, Im sick of breathing now. Were there Shitty Staff Members, Yes. Yeah its amazing how every parent got sold the your kids gonna wind up dead story. The McCoy Spring Creek Ranch boasts 1,209 +/- acres of pure recreational splendor. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch is a vacant land on a 1,185 acre lot. Well suprise suprise they got shut down! It didnt take long until it started to sink in. I was there for the Upper level Prom which I was fortunate enough to dance with a very attractive (and I think even taller than me) blonde. I cant even imagine the intolerable conditions with those racist, unethical, monsters! I can remember countless times when they would needlessly call for support staff and watch as 6 male staff pinned me to the ground. Just brutal. Challenger was where they put us in this winter camp. Didnt they make David roll around in the mud to get dirty since he liked to be sharp dressed normally? Outdoor enthusiasts will enjoy the opportunity to work at the world's first Forbes Travel Guide Five-Star guest ranch and glamping destination. After abusing hundreds, maybe even thousands of teenagers this man has finally been stopped. Who the hell do you think you are????? It was a place that MADE you earn your privileges. REDFIN IS COMMITTED TO AND ABIDES BY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT. I was assigned a family and a back-stabbing bunk buddy. I didnt want this to be our lives and I didnt want to be responsible for this shit and I just wanted to go home. What I went through in Jamaica is so similar. I hope to find a way to create something I can look forward to but for now I am trying to just get by. I dont remember alot of peoples names from then but I do remember jay and Eugene and gabe. The only thing I would add is that they told me my son would die/commit suicide if I did not get him help from their program. I finally did quit in Sept. of 2004, a month before Karlye committed suicide. I got there and saw kids that I thought went home months before or that was said that were being transferred when in fact was kept at this house. Mr. Dave was good people. Many of the staff and fellow students came to know me as Cook or Cooker. I called my sister and told her that some people are here and I dont know where Im going. thanks for your help. And for that I am accountable. I have to say I got lucky with family fathers though.msrk clyde and gunner were cool. What a creep show those seminars were. She is heading toward Highway 200. I didnt remember you but that friends group you mention put you right in the i fucked with everyone because i felt superior and the staff rewarded yall. Im even getting a psych degree in six months. Join our Newsletter. There was Jay Ruff (dish bowl chest) haha..and James Jones who left when he turned 18. Holy shit, its Brandy! I think it was some off brand. Why does she want to leave so bad? We were tortured, abused, and traumatized. Kids got raped, beaten, thrown in the hobbit constantly with a large male staff always handy to kick their ass and ensure that they stayed on silence. The girls mother also sued them for wrongful death and neglect. I tried to pack my backpack and couldnt. Many prestigious local fly shops, guide services, and lodges participated in this business, including Frontier Anglers, the Yellowstone Angler, the Montana Angler, Healing Waters Lodge and the Five Rivers Lodge. Lol I remember doing the kettle corn lol smh. He was there for 10 months 1996-1997. Not to change my behavior for the better. I had considered quitting several times because of the way some of the other staff treated the students. Sorry Harrigal, I meant Atwoodhope you see the post above. I was led to believe that I was going on a vacation with my Mom to Park Cities, Utah. Come on people embrace the good! (talking-on-silence) infraction. Literally in front of my huge work truck. And I will admit if anyone deserved to be at a place for troubled youth it was me. Finally I somehow stuffed my shit together in the pack and finally they helped me after my pack fell apart because I packed it one handed. Hello, my fellow alumnime and Patrick G. were the last two to graduate from the program and I still remember everything like it happened yesterdaythe craziest shit is trying to explain how it was there to ANYONE on the outsideanyways, does anyone remember Mr. Davehe was my favorite staff member there, also Big Al too from Honor family, which was the family that I was put into upon arrivalmy parents tricked me into going thereI rebelled for a year, tried to kill myself multiple times, etc but after I went through orientation I just flew through the program because I realized that if I hadnt gotten pulled from the program already that I probably wasnt going toonly seminar I had to choose out of ever was Principles but got through it on the second round. Also 3 mi. She is 15 years old. Find out when to come, what equipment to bring, browse blog articles, and more. At the end of the day I was always in the negative and never got past level one. yours might be my favorite comment on here lol i totally relate, Nick I think I remember you i.was.in honor around the same time do remember the fight with dignity. Hi Susan Lambert, I could no longer socialize with kids in my normal high school, and it destroyed any chance of a normal high school experience. The Beaverhead River is the focal point of the valley, and it provides a solid foundation for all of the other area fisheries, including the spring creeks on McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. Take a look. Did I enjoy being there, no. I suddenly became a level 5 what a joke. I hope the girls in my family are alright. Would she be pushed and prodded to say what they want. it was hilarious but annoying. There was so much abuse, manipulation and borderline child abuse/molestation going on. I was there 2005-2007 and this is a freaking trip reading all of this. SCL wasclosed in 2009 after a dramatic drop in enrollment and a failed attempt to convert part of the facility into an 18+ program called Camas Ranch. Take care Spring Creek veterans. McCoy Spring Creek Ranch is an amazing opportunity to own a true sporting ranch in the world-famous Beaverhead Valley. I remember that I knew I had to pass that seminar, and in order to do it I actually spit my saliva out and onto the floor, and then I rubbed my face into it, getting it into and around my eyes so that I could convincingly pretend I was crying so that hed be convinced I had found my magical childwhich was total bullshit. After choosing out of PC3- I was pulled four months later (age 15-almost 16). Its far in the rear view now and more than success stories, I see shattered spirits and people never able to function. What can I say about the program. As I said. Ill never forget the first time I saw him. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. The two ladies catch up and the girl refuses to get off my truck. My bags were handed back to her when we arrived and she started crying and I thought she was just being emotional and I walked and smiled and it just didnt click right away what was happening. Goofy from LA. I think the staff knew what I was doing and how I was making it bleed and so they wanted to put me in this position to make me stop. God this place sucked I was in unity family. Jake and Eugene were awesome! They wouldnt let me keep any of my belongings. Theres no family left. Oh you did..great glad all of us underage minors could help you out with that at 3 am in the rain.our pleasure, Jessica !! I was the one that stole the truck and ran away with him. tara I remember you I was in charity too. PERIOD. I took him under my wing and we hung out a lot! Ill never forget watching her all alone up there and feeling so horrible about just sitting there while the facilitator asks her to move on to her next trauma. Thank you. You could have done something like reported the place but you didnt. He talked to this girl that was beautiful during some of the session where he was trying to face his sex addiction . This place did nothing in the form of help and guidence for teens. I never got sexually assaulted and am sad to hear that it happened but they definitely made me as miserable as they could when I was there. I am hopeful to find some of the people I met during my time there. I tried finding you when j got out but couldnt. Cameron, Chaffin, Ken Kay and all the rest deserve to rot in a special place in their Mormon hell for child abusers. They were going to keep me. I dont know I saw it as kids on a power trip but not really at fault of there own. The cold was punishing and aided their harsh version of therapy. that dude was a mess. We hung out once in Dallas. I was Jakes closest friend there and I tried to convince him not to run because I knew he wouldnt make it we all felt the same about busting out of there. Everyday I contemplated suicide, it seemed the only way to get freedom. Then they finally let me talk to my mother. Being bodyslammed, fucked with, or otherwise attacked or abused is never okay regardless of what behavior the CHILD may be demonstrating. These technical fisheries originate from underground aquifers and flow cold and clear year round. I stole a car twice, escaped, robbed a liquor with a stolen car and brought tobacco back to feed the masses. I am the only one to ever escape Thats fucked up. I finally talked to him when I was old enough to understand that he would never and could never understand. Then I remember Cameron trying to talk to you in the Hungry Horse and realizing you didnt understand English very well, and I was like, holy shit. Im sorry but I cant place you. I left late summer of 2003 when I was 17. Chaffin Pullan, Mickey (Michele) Manning, Jade Robinson, Jason Finlinson the whole crew are at it again in Utah. Uhh holy crap I didnt hear about Joshs current troubles til now. What people didnt see was my home life. jgraham2862@gmail.com, Thank you Jessica. looking back the place cracks me up. That was the highlight of my day.meanwhile all of this is heel to toe no talking ECT ECT.